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decadentdream) wrote2006-12-11 09:13 pm
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Possible explanation for "glowy" Peter
So this post is to address the little visionary dream Peter had at the conclusion of episode 1x11 "Fallout". My personal thought is that Peter did not have this dream to tell him he was the reason behind New York exploding but to show him that these were the people he needs to bring together. But, you know, Heroes writers are tricky, and they like to make us think - so clues can be found anywhere.
If we're taking this literally, I don't think Peter is about to go KABOOM! We all know by now that Isaac's paintings are only a snapshot in time that don't tell the whole story, and Peter's dreams aren't 100% accurate either as he has put himself into someone else's place (usually Nathan). To take on the presumption that this is all quite literall, that Peter is going to be the "exploding man" because Isaac painted one and because Peter says so would be silly. That would be like the painting of the dead cheerleader all over again (where, because they said so, we believed it to be Claire when indeed it was Jackie). So my theory is that Peter is not actually exploding, but absorbing powers. Let's look at the possibilities of what is displayed via this dream and I'll show you what may or may not be the eventual conclusion to this.
Preceeding - Peter's illness
I don't have an entire solution for this. It could be because of the fact that Peter's ability seems to peter out the longer he is away from the person he's around (hours after he'd seen Isaac he could only draw a stick figure premonition, but in his presence he was able to paint a masterpiece). So since Claire ran off from him, he wasn't exposed to her ability and considering all the blood he lost (and 24 hours later NO-ONE has bothered to even clean him up) he could become rather ill from such a fall. ALSO the theory of being exposed to multiple powers is what I'm basing this whole theory on. So in this short period of time Peter was exposed to Claire, Sylar (who's number of abilities we don't have a quota on yet)... by the time he gets to Matt and they're bouncing telepathic thoughts back and forth in a MASS clash, Peter's nose is beginning to bleed a little. So now we're up to 3. Then Claire comes to the station again. Not only is Peter exposed to her power, but with the Haitian running around as the secret bodyguard, it may have been possible that he stepped into Peter's range too. Add onto that Nathan once he arrives, and by the time Peter has been exposed to up to 5 ppl and is stumbling outside, he's passing out and nearly dying. This is what makes me think that the more abilities Peter takes on, the more he is hurting himself. If you look at the dream sequence, he is exposed to a good 8 ppl that we know of. And if Mr Bennet DOES happen to kidnap Peter and speed up his powers (as he seems to have done with Matt & Ted) then it is ALSO possible that accelerating Peter's ability is downright dangerous - and that MAY be why we end up with a screaming glowy Peter, transforming into the almighty powerful being. Every ability has a flaw - DL needs to concentrate to become incorporeal, Isaac ALSO needs to do this now instead of depending on drugs, Hiro needs to concentrate BUT it is still possible for him to overshoot his location, Claire CAN die but only when something is blocking/interferring with that part of her brain... so is it not possible that the reason Peter can't retain these powers would be that he would overload if he did? And possibly that is what is happening. But in regards to explaining everything else, here it is as follows:
Opening
Firstly, we open the scene when Peter falls on the ground. If you take note of his watch, the time reads 7:35 (or 36, I could be a minute off). If you remember back in episode 1x02 where Hiro is talking to the police, he glances at his watch and it is 11:52am. This is when the nuclear explosion is meant to happen. That's a 4 hour difference (or more if this is meant to be PM, but we'll play in the AM atm). We've noticed before that time plays a very important part in this show, and we often glance at watches or clocks to signify things (like Peter's death in 1x09 Homecoming). Then we look down a tunnel which is empty. Now I'm not sure if they're doing this to signify there's no-one around, or that tunnel means something (like the way to the real threat), but I guess we'll eventually find out. As Peter walks through the street we find that empty also. Now originally when I was trying to piece all this together I thought things had been frozen. This is probably not the case - demonstrated by the spinning bike wheel. Perhaps, then, it leads us to think that the chaos of everyone trying to escape the city via a section filled with roadwork led to people running away on foot. If you look closely though someone DOES appear to be walking through the cars with the same kind of confusion Peter has (possibly Claire) in the background behind him.
Mohinder
At first we see Mohinder getting out of the driver's side of the taxi. This would be fitting because Peter first met him when he was driving the taxi Peter was in. However Peter didn't recognise him when he went to Chandra Suresh's apartment and mistook him for his father, so it's likely either Peter's subconcious has put 2 & 2 together, or it's really just for our benefit. At first Mohinder looks happy to see Peter. I take this as his excitement in discovering his father's research was in fact true (he was pretty overjoyed to find the list) and he would recognise that Peter was the one that was first trying to direct him to it (I'm going to presume that post-it with Isaac's name on it that Mohinder found was written by Eden, and Mohinder has realised that the man on the post it and the man Peter was taking him to see are indeed the same guy). So he would be pleased to see Peter because here's a man who knew and believed wholly before he did. But, as we see, Mohinder's expression turns to one of shock and horror. So far Mohinder seems to be one of the last to get involved and discover exactly who Sylar is. If Mohinder manages to uncover this information, he may think that someone with multiple abilities will be corrupted. He may therefore begin to think that Peter may become just as corrupted. And I'm sure he would feel repulsed to learn that the man his father tutored is now the one killing them all. Mohinder manages to disappear pretty quickly. And I can't quite say what it is that brings that about, because strangely enough the next shot appears as if PETER is the one getting out of the cab.
Matt
Matt, we see, in his police officer's uniform. He LOOKS like he's directing frozen traffic (as we first saw him), and again there's the discrepancy as Peter only knows him from working with the FBI, out of uniform. But I guess it's easy to categorise police into uniforms. Now, personality wise, we know what Matt is like. He keeps a level head and tries to get the situation under control. We saw this with Ted and the bubbling glass, where he urged the man to calm down (I think he's a pretty skilled negotiator from what I've seen) and tried to ensure that neither he and Audrey NOR Ted were hurt by his powers (shall I also mention that when Ted goes radioactive, he doesn't go all glowy? So that's another way to dispell that kind of theory). We ALSO know that Matt is telepathic. So it is possible that Matt realises what is going on with Peter. I don't know if dream!Peter has a different mentality from real!Peter, but in the case that Peter recognises something is wrong, there must be a mental SOS going on there. Matt starts giving orders to the Hawkins/Sanders family to go in the opposite direction and tells Peter "Go away from them. Stay back!". If Matt recognises that their presence is causing a problem with Peter, he will realise that the Heroes need to step away from him to keep him from absorbing so many powers. Who better to vacate first than the family with the most number of powers? (ie. Niki, DL & Micah) So Matt is trying to evacuate them out of the area, at the same time telling Peter to head away from them before anything goes wrong. Notice that Matt does not head away, he wants to keep a handle on the situation.
Niki, Micah & DL
Well, it's obvious what they're doing. They're running away like they were told. LOL Notice they are still looking around though, as if trying to pick up on the real danger.
Claire
Claire is running towards Peter. I would think that she is having two thoughts at this point. She would remember that she was the one who saved him last time - that he could heal around her, so would be heading towards him so that this problem would stop. She would also be thinking "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World", at which point she might think that because she was saved it is her mission or duty to "save the world" and that perhaps by saving Peter she would be repaying the favour and fulfilling that duty. But once Claire reaches Peter, you can see there is no change. She looks down at his hands and tells him she's sorry. I think her apology is because she realises she's not helping him (and possibly hurting him, hence she runs away).
Simone & Isaac
As far as we're aware, Simone has no powers. So if she knows/recognises what is going on, she may think she is the only person able to stop it. She would be the only one who could get close enough to Peter without hurting him. And, well, she cares about him so of course she would head to him. Isaac, however, tackles her and pulls her away. Although this could signify the 3-way love triangle they had going on earlier in the piece, I think more to Isaac would be that he will instantly remember his painting of the exploding man and jump to the conclusion that it is Peter, hence pulling Simone away from danger. I would hope that this means there's a reconciliation between the two (and she apologises to him for not believing him).
Hiro & Ando
Are doing nothing, which is interesting. You would think that Hiro would be trying to freeze all the action. He looks a little defeated, and seems to be not as close as the others. And I find it interesting that Peter would dream of Hiro as Present!Hiro, not Future!Hiro. Because he has never met Hiro now (only seen a photograph at the Burnt Toast Diner and Isaac's painting) so it would be more likely of him to dream of Future!Hiro. Plus, you know, that would throw the whole thing out of whack since Future!Hiro saw him with a scar and such (which wasn't apparant in this scene).
and lastly... Nathan
Is striding out of his office. I would presume that he has won the election, there are wine glasses and a bottle in the bottom left hand corner of the shot that signifies the celebrations. There is also a collection of broken glass just outside the door. You'll notice that none of the glass doors or windows around it are shattered, and it can't be from above as it's in the indented section. And some of the glass it appears is, oddly, blue. This makes me think that there was ALREADY an explosion of some kind from the street, though a small one. The direction of the spray has caused it to settle in its current position. Nathan, I'm sure, probably recognises the disturbance outside is interupting his celebratory win. Maybe he even thinks Peter is stealing his thunder. But the reason we look at Nathan is because he's striding towards Peter, despite the danger. So what is going on there? He looks pissed off and a little determined, but here's a few possibilities:
1. Nathan is still in complete denial about everything, and is just going to lecture his brother again and tell him to stop it
2. Nathan isn't actually heading towards Peter, he's heading towards Sylar/Ted/whoever else Peter has put himself in place of, and plans to fly them out of there as a great sacrifice to protect everyone else from the great KABOOM
3. Nathan realises it is Peter, remembers Peter says he's the reason for the big bang, and decides to fly his brother out to protect everyone else
4. Nathan has finally acknowledged that certain people do have abilities, they are able to help one another with them, and he needs to right now help his brother to prevent him from overloading. The quickest way to do that would be to seperate Peter from the rest of the Heroes by creating as much distance as possible - hence flying him away.
Now I like the idea of #4 and my friend pointed out something in one of my video clips yesterday that we ended up spending forever analysing to work out if we were right. We're still none the wiser. But I did read in another journal that there is possibly a missing/deleted scene where Nathan asks "How fast do you think we can fly?" This I believe to be in relation to his sonic boom escape from HRGM & the Haitian. I advise people to go back and have a look at the future scene with Hiro in Isaac's studio when New York goes Kaboom. The mural on the floor shows that the explosion happens between two pointy buildings (k I don't live and have never been to New York so forgive my ignorance over this). Though its not possible to see the tops of the skyscrapers, most of the buildings around Nathan's office (where Peter is in his dreamscape) appear to be flat. I don't know where Nathan's office is in relation to Isaac's studio, but here's an interesting point. Before Hiro looks out the window there is a booming noise. Upon looking out the window on the right hand side there appears to a curved line of smoke that looks much like the trail Nathan leaves behind when he uses the "sonic boom" part of his flight ability. I know there is a sound AFTER this appears which sounds like glass breaking which made me think the window had simply cracked but you notice none of the windows across from Isaac's studio break until AFTER the cloud of smoke hits them and they crumble. So, if this is indeed a stream of smoke that's left in Nathan's wake (and I'm just guessing here as it was only a one frame change - so he WOULD have to have been really super-sonic quick to get Peter out of there and out of danger) this is blocks in front of the point of the explosion. Which means that Peter is not the cause.
Still... there is that 4 hour time discrepancy. And I've no idea where Nathan's campaign office is in relation to Isaac's studio, because I don't think Peter has ever traveled between the two. He has traveled to and from these places but never between them. So it'd be interesting to get a location.
So any thoughts? Anyone?
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Opening: I love the whole time analysis you have done. It states that Peter can’t be the reason the time explodes in the original future. However, keep in mind that Hiro in fact already changed that future by warning Isaac and contacting Peter. The original future is no longer existent and it’s very well possible the time of explosion changed, but the disaster is still going to happen.
Something related I do not understand yet is: Why is the city empty? When in fact Peter (or the person he was channelling the future of) is the big danger (whether this is exploding OR nuclear vibrations or whatever). Why does he look so surprised when he starts to glow? Everyone apparently already knew, why else would they have fled? Or could there perhaps be a much bigger threat upon them and is Pete just channelling that threat thus leading to him exploding/dying of a power overkill?
Claire: I completely agree. She must remember the phrase and ought it her duty to do exactly that: “Save the world”.
Hiro: Didn’t you say he lost his powers? Wouldn't that explain the look of defeat on his face? Also, peter has never seen Ando yet he’s in the dream. I have an explanation for that at the very end.
Nathan: Very thorough, esp. the last couple of points. I wouldn’t know which one to be the most likely one,as I am still quite unsure about Nathan’s reactions to anything really. I can’t predict him. I prefer 3 or 4 as it would really incorporate the theme of the show well and I can already see the season finale going sky high (no pun intended) with the Petrelli’s flying around earth.
It’s not a dream: despite your theory I don’t think Peter put the people he has met in specific places because he knows them a certain way, thus he would think ie. that Matt would wear a police uniform. Ie. he sees Ando who has never really met. I truly think this was more of a premonition than a dream and the facts entering his brain were not his own, and hopefully never will be.
Btw, I am in quite a hurry and didn’t have time to reply to everything yet. Later :)
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> Peter could be ill from the fall after not being exposed to Claire for such a long
> time where you later state that he can channel Claire’s powers again as she
> came to visit him in the cell. That should’ve been enough time to patch himself
> up completely if he hadn’t been the first time around he used her power.
The hatian was walking around do who knows what in the police station at the same time though. So maybe not only Matt's powers were nullified.
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Yeah :P I'm offering up theories LOL And he doesn't retain the power, so what I meant is that he was exposed to it a secondary time. It may not have been enough time for him to heal himself. We don't know how quickly the power works on him or at what level. And I'd rather think it an overload anyway - so what I'm getting around to with Claire is that it is possible for him to heal himself around her, but her power doesn't allow a prevention of an overload - it just contributes to it. So when he is exposed to a number of powers she's actually hurting him more than healing him by adding her own to the mix.
Makes me wonder in return if his body is going to be dependant on powers aka is his illness in fact a craving and the powers a drug?
THAT is a good idea! It fits in nicely with Isaac's addiction PLUS what Sylar said to him in the dream - that Peter doesn't even know the meaning of power (or something to that effect). Peter even admitted to Claire he doesn't know how to use the powers. So there is a need there and also a lack of control. This could become a definate problem if that's the end result of HRGM speeding up his powers too.
However, keep in mind that Hiro in fact already changed that future by warning Isaac and contacting Peter.
I think the only thing that Hiro has been able to change about that situation thus far is Isaac's death (especially since we see him now out on the road) and Ando's presence. We don't know completely what was behind Future!Hiro's words and he was being very careful about it, so I say he's only directing Peter but with very little help because he didn't offer any information but is instead leaving it up to Peter to discover for himself.
Why is the city empty?
I'd say there was some forewarning, hence the traffic jam. BUT the lack of people I would say is instigated by an earlier sign of danger (hence the broken glass we saw outside Nathan's office which is possibly from an earlier explosion).
Why does he look so surprised when he starts to glow?
Because, in this time, Peter doesn't understand. This is what I was addressing - is there going to be a difference between Dream!Peter (who is the now) and Real-Time!Peter (in the actual future)? Will he bear that knowledge of what a mass amount of powers can do? And if he isn't aware, I believe this is where Matt has stepped into the situation, because he seems to be FAR more aware of what is going on than anybody else.
Didn’t you say he lost his powers?
I did, but not here! SHH! LOL Because we don't know if Dream!Hiro (or even Present!Hiro) has them back yet. And we don't know what will happen once he gets hold of that sword. ;)
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However: wouldn't Hiro's watch be Tokyo time? In which case, it's not a 4 hr difference. It would prolly be, uh. I think a two hour difference in time--around 9:52 pm. But don't quote me on that.
But yeah, no way in hell that was 9pm in *November* in New York. So maybe something did change, or maybe they already stopped one threat and had to deal with another, and it's a different day entirely.
Hell, maybe it has nothing to do with the November 8th bomb going off at all, and was merely predicting something *else* in the future.
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K secondly... thank you :D I had all these wild ideas and I watched the video piece by piece as I was going through everything. It was only cause my friend asked about the smoke thing from my music clip that we went back to look at that future scene to begin with.
And good point with the time difference ;) I guess it's not a great measure of time to go by what time Hiro left and teleported, but I would think they're showing us the watch for a reason. Now u DO have me wondering if they factored in a time difference LOL. Very strange.
You are totally right on that. We could be looking at something else entirely. It's only because of the celebrations glasses/wine that prompts me to think it is the day of the explosion. We shall have to wait and see. But thank u SO much for your input :D That's some good thinking u have going on there ;)
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I didnt notice the thing about Mohinder when he get out of the cab and then the scene cuts and it looks like Peter is the one getting out of the cab, I have no idea what that means or if it was just a cutting room fluke but its there.
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Anyways... thank u :D I think you're right, it's likely it was just an editing mistake, but still it is an interesting observation ;) Those people are evil for making us think even the smallest things mean something LOL Maybe it could be the actual way that Peter arrives on scene... okay, but I doubt he's driving a cab LOL Um... I've no idea. Guess we'll find that out eventually.
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Well I read in an interview that the shows writers actually go to some of the website and take into account what people take note of. Plus Tim Kring said he and his people enjoy having us question all these things on the show.
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They look at what we say huh? Well that's awesome. Wonder if they're stalking our LJ's... *snicker* no wonder ppl panic. But that would be awesome if they were all taking into account what we said and working on ways to trip us up. It's good they like to get us questioning and hear our feedback *nods*
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This, however, doesn't make me rule out that Peter could be putting himself in place of Sylar. When he dreamed about flying and Nathan, he still wore his own clothes - the ones he wore on the day. But he wasn't the one flying (until the last minute) it was Nathan. So we'll see ;)
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The taller pointy building is the Empire State Building, while the shorter one's the Chrysler Building. /attempt to be helpful.
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Now any idea where they are in relation to Nathan's campaign office? hehe.
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As for where Nathan's campaign office is in relation to them... Well, the Chrysler Building's on 42nd St and Lexington Ave, while the Empire State Building's on 34th Street and 5th Ave, both, I believe, in the 14th Congressional District, which is the district Nathan's running in. I believe we're told the campaign office is in Midtown Manhattan, which could very well place it right between these two buildings.
There is one thing that's been bothering me... in either 1X02 or 1X03 (I can't rememer which one exactly), before Mohinder and Eden hear that message on the answering machine from Sylar, there's a campaign message from Nathan. Papa Suresh's apt.'s in Brooklyn, which isn't in the 14th Congressional District, so there shouldn't be any campaign calls from Nathan... I'm sure it's just a goof, but it's been bugging me. I've also heard one of these campaign calls from Isaac's answering machine, but that makes sense, since Isaac seems to live in the Lower East Side, which is a part of the 14th. *shrugs*
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I do remember that call on the Suresh answering machine. Not so much the Isaac one. But I thought the point of that was merely to show a connection between the characters and to fool unknowing ppl (like me) that NY is really one tiny little town that Nathan can govern. However it would be interesting if that had a deeper meaning also.
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Preceeding - Peter's illness
since Claire ran off from him, he wasn't exposed to her ability and considering all the blood he lost (and 24 hours later NO-ONE has bothered to even clean him up) he could become rather ill from such a fall.
Certainly a good point. Just because he managed to fix all the bones in her presence doesn't mean that he's fine. His defenses would be pretty low and hey it could be chilly in the air.
ALSO the theory of being exposed to multiple powers is what I'm basing this whole theory on
I think that this could be taking quite a toll on Peter. Even when the Heroes move out of his range and he no longer has their ability [like in Claire's case]just the fact that his body has to adapt from taking one hero's power to the other and then taking on 3 heroes altogether the next...it would be quite exhausting.
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...I had not thought about the times at all. Assuming that the explosion wasn't moved forward because of Hiro changing the past and given that Nathan seems to be having a celebratory party so it IS 8 Nov this could just be some sort of precursor event before the big KABOOM.
the chaos of everyone trying to escape the city via a section filled with roadwork led to people running away on foot. If you look closely though someone DOES appear to be walking through the cars with the same kind of confusion Peter has (possibly Claire) in the background behind him.
Something must have MADE the people run away, no? and it can't be the blast because then they'd all be dead so ...could it be that dinoMonster Isaac painted? It looks as though Hiro is wearing the same purple/white combo of clothes in the dream as he is in the painting. The background in the painting is fire so maybe it meant to be symbolic of the day of the explosion, or it could be that 8 Nov has a lot of catastrophes occuring. As for how a dino can be there, it could be a shape-shifter.
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Nup. *does ramble* hehe. Hey u should know that by now :P I'm like the one that plagues your journal with lengthy LJ comments :$ And thank u! *bows* Couldn't have done it without your help. Now u see why I waited to get a bit better, huh? ;)
Just because he managed to fix all the bones in her presence doesn't mean that he's fine.
That's right *nods* One of my biggest annoyances with fantasy tv land. You can't just be healed and suddenly you're all "HEY! I'm fine! Let's party!" U need time to recuperate *nods* and there's an aweful lot of red blood cells that need to regenerate there. If blood was so easy to replace, they wouldn't have blood drives now would they?? ;)
His defenses would be pretty low and hey it could be chilly in the air.
Yes, that's a fun transition between jumpers and t-shirts for them *raises a brow* What exactly is the weather there? hehe. But then, with the global warming, it has been going 20-40 here also in summer so maybe it's not THAT surprising. And OMG u make it sound like Peter's just actually SICK! LOL That's really funny but could be totally right, cause the producers were even nice enough to show that Nathan had a cold back when they were on the rooftop, and I was all *yay* "Look! They're REAL ppl! They REALLY get sick!" haha
just the fact that his body has to adapt from taking one hero's power to the other and then taking on 3 heroes altogether the next...it would be quite exhausting.
Good point. Nobody's really looked at the transitional effect of it all. And Peter hardly understands himself, so he's not able to explain it to us yet either. ♥ that we're as out-of-the-loop as him :D
this could just be some sort of precursor event before the big KABOOM.
Yup *nods* That's what I was getting at. And if that really was Nathan's sonic boom smoke my friend saw, then that only backs up that idea :D
and it can't be the blast because then they'd all be dead
LOL little glass! Little blast! :D Though I think u meant like nuclear explosion kind. But anyway...
It looks as though Hiro is wearing the same purple/white combo of clothes in the dream as he is in the painting.
WAS HE??? OMG well then. So where's the firey explosion and the great
hellbeastdinosaur then? Did Peter put himself in its place??? Okay now I'm getting absurd. Maybe there is a shapeshifter out there. Maybe it's Lindermann! :| Okay I'll stop now LOL*awaits future replies*
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Well I couldn't imagine all that coughing being directly related to having too many Heroes within his radar. So for me I think all that transition stuff and being simultaneously exposed to more than one power is exhausting and led Peter's bdy's defences to be low hence he caught a cold. And the coma/unconsciousness is from the overload of power.
And if when we see Nathan with a handkerchief in the 2nd ep he's meant to have a cold then that cold wasn't cured till after the 4th episode because in the stripper!Niki/Nathan in his bedroom scene he also has a handkerchief.
WAS HE??? OMG well then. So where's the firey explosion and the great hellbeast dinosaur then? Did Peter put himself in its place??? Okay now I'm getting absurd. Maybe there is a shapeshifter out there. Maybe it's Lindermann! :|
I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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Mohinder
At first we see Mohinder getting out of the driver's side of the taxi. This would be fitting because Peter first met him when he was driving the taxi Peter was in.
I really like this idea but I think, like you said somewhere or at least I think you said it, that particular dream is really a destiny type pf dream in that it shows what people Peter needs to bring together so it may not be Peter remembering Mohinder/taxi but just the dream itself showing us that Moh goes back to being a cabbie.
And just to contradict myself I'll throw this in:
strangely enough the next shot appears as if PETER is the one getting out of the cab.
I think the shot may not be an editing mistake:
A. It could be a way of reminding the audience about the Mohinder/Peter sequence in the first episode.
B. You could be right and Peter does sub-consciously remember Moh from the cab-ride and so that scene shows both him & Moh coming out of the taxi.
[I'm sorry if I make no sense, let's blame Milo - the drink not the guy]
You're idea about Mohinder thinking Peter is corrupt isquite interesting.
Hiro & Ando
In the dream Hiro has no sword or goatee but does wear glasses and Peter has no scar. In the painting with the dino Hiro is wearing glasses and looks like he is wearing the same clothes as in the dream, has no goatee but does have the sword. In the future Hiro has a sword, goatee and Peter has a scar. I'm not sure what it all means but yeah.
Nathan
You have convinced me about the celebrations already. The blue glass though could just be customised wine bottles [someone else on my LJ suggested this] in keeping with the colours often associated with Nathan, red & blue. Since the streets seem deserted, the fallen bike indicates that this is not because we are only seeing the people who have a destiny to fulfill but that the public has actually fled in haste which means that when Peter is outside glowing Nathan in his office must be alone or certainly is not celebrating at that point in time.
#2 & #3 seem more plausible only because I don't think that Nathan will be able to work out that a lot of Heroes are overloading Peter's brain unless Matt spells it out for him, assuming that Matt does understand the situation.
Someone else is going to have to look at those building 'cause I have 0 knowledge about the NY landscape.
*off to look at the trail of smoke you are talking about*
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I wouldn't want to underestimate Nathan either. I think there's a great possibility that they're leaning heavily on this non-commital attitude of his so they can produce some big turnaround in the end where Nathan does save the day. Maybe he does piece it all together. And I'm also really loving that Nathan talking to Isaac thing I came up with too :$ LOL I shouldn't rely so heavily on what pops into my brain.
Someone else is going to have to look at those building 'cause I have 0 knowledge about the NY landscape.
Oh oh someone commented about it and had me squeeing! Here's the goodness:
Relatively speaking, yes Isaac's stuido and Nathan's campaign office are in the same part of the city. They're both on the East side of Manhattan, and it's very possible--if not probable--that the campaign office is between Isaac's studio and the two buildings. There's about 30+ blocks between the Lower East Side (Isaac's studio) and the Empire State Building, and from what I've noticed, it looks as though the campaign office is at least above 14th street, so that places the campaign office at at least 15 or so blocks north of Isaac's studio.
Now doesn't it sound like fun? I see a total seperate event now happening even more :D
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He might only presume that Peter is the cause for the explosion (as Peter muttered to him in his arms) and valiantly fly him out of there without realising that the sacrifice he's making is not upon himself but he is actually helping Peter by taking him away from the others. *scratches head* I hope I'm making sense.
I had to read that twice but I get what you mean now! But just to clarify: he would be thinking he is flying *the bomb* out but if Peter really is the bomb then by flying him out he is actually kind of diffusing the bomb in which case neither of the Petrellis have to die! Right? I am loving that idea!
Also I have been wondering, once Peter does wake up they would talk about his dream right? Would Nathan believe anything that Peter tells him about the dream?
And that description above about the NY skyline gives weight to that seperate event theory of yours!
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Me too LOL I think I just remember the fanboying more than anything *nods* "U can fly! Don't worry, I keep secret. I have special power too!" LOL *squishes Hiro*
I had to read that twice but I get what you mean now! But just to clarify: he would be thinking he is flying *the bomb* out but if Peter really is the bomb then by flying him out he is actually kind of diffusing the bomb in which case neither of the Petrellis have to die! Right? I am loving that idea!
Yup that's it LOL Nathan thinks he's making a big sacrifice by getting rid of the bomb but instead he's diffusing the problem by seperating Peter from the others *nods* So neither of them die, and we're all happy :D And the world might be able to be saved but it's probably not going to be Peter's responsibility for that...
Also I have been wondering, once Peter does wake up they would talk about his dream right? Would Nathan believe anything that Peter tells him about the dream?
haha can already imagine that conversation. We're going to have another lot of Nathan going "No, Peter, you were dreaming. That's not going to happen." (See if THAT gets quoted *snicker*) I imagine Peter would be freaking out and Nathan would be trying to make Peter see things realistically, whilst in the back of his mind hoping its not true.
And that description above about the NY skyline gives weight to that seperate event theory of yours!
Woo! I know, isn't it great? :D LOL *parties* Okay so I should stop pretending I solved it and wait for, well, I guess it won't be January but the season finale by the time we get there. I want more Isaac paintings to support my theory!
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LOL Nathan thinks he's making a big sacrifice by getting rid of the bomb but instead he's diffusing the problem by seperating Peter from the others *nods* So neither of them die, and we're all happy :D
Wheeeee Have I mentioned how perfect this idea of yours is?
"No, Peter, you were dreaming. That's not going to happen." (See if THAT gets quoted *snicker*) I imagine Peter would be freaking out and Nathan would be trying to make Peter see things realistically, whilst in the back of his mind hoping its not true
Hmmm but what if like you said Nathan went to visit Isaac and ends up BELIEVING? ooohh, I still think he would tell Peter 'there's nothing to worry about' but only because he'd be making plans to prevent it all....or something.
Okay so I should stop pretending I solved it and wait for, well, I guess it won't be January but the season finale by the time we get there.
But when the ep finally comes you'll get to say I TOLD U SO. That would be fun!
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Hiro seems to be an effective distraction if I was right about the Nathan sonic-boom-in-Isaac's-window thing too hehe.
Wheeeee Have I mentioned how perfect this idea of yours is?
It's a Petrelli fan-happy idea, that's for sure :D
Hmmm but what if like you said Nathan went to visit Isaac and ends up BELIEVING? ooohh, I still think he would tell Peter 'there's nothing to worry about' but only because he'd be making plans to prevent it all....or something
Exactly right. If our analysis is right on Nathan, he says one thing but he's secretly planning another. And, you know, even if he does believe he'd still say that because he's being all big-brother like "I'm only trying to protect you, Peter (God knows you can't protect yourself)"
LOL I love how you've jumped right on board this "Nathan talks to Isaac" delusion I had. Hey, so, if I told u I could fly would u believe me? (A)
But when the ep finally comes you'll get to say I TOLD U SO. That would be fun!
There might be a little of that (A) But mostly I think it'll be me watching and laughing, squealing and clapping my hands over how close I came to being right.
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Yes, yes I would :x
but only because they both sound like such cool ideas. :D
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Nah I'm still sticking with my power is closest to Isaac's. Or MAYBE it's like Peter being near Isaac.... *thinks she's trying to make her own head explode now*
Alright. Must be sensible. I'm not a writer of the show. But HEY I'm getting the urge to do another fic...
*sheepishly walks away*
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And, again, thank u :D Oh u mean I have a hunky former drug-addicted precognitive creative mind (that's a mouthful) living nearby? *rushes out of the house* hehe
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Er yes I think that's what I meant. Since I can't remember what I meant I must have a cool silent Haitian outside my house! *rushes out too*
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Only some of them are running though, the others are still standing...
And yeah that would be interesting if he is just normal-ill & not supernatural-ill.
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Ok, now I am pulling my thoguhts on this from Buffy and have not actually looked up anything as of yet, but has anyone actually looked up what maybe the symobls mean in a real life kind of situation, like say an empty car stands for something or seeing a cop. Or the feelings of fear and anxiety?
I had this thought because I know the writes of Buffy the Vampire Slayer in their eppisode "Restless" did this. I guess they learned different symbols for change , etc. (this was the seasons final eppi, before Dawn Buffy sister appeared.) and incorporated them into the dreams of the characters.
Just another thought. I could be barking up the wrong tree, but I thought I would throw it out there.
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Yeah I considered doing that when I first started on this, but then I couldn't be bothered LOL Usually the clues in Peter's dreams are direct and not really a "symbol" for something. But u never know, they might have taken a different turn this time ;) I never knew that about Buffy :| That is very interesting.
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